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- Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com> Jul 30 08:33AM +0200
I think it was unfair for the Captain to attack Sabata Mahao on his handicap that was allocated by SAGA. If the club wants to properly handle handicaps parallel to the SAGA handicap system then a system need to put in place and that system need to take everybody's performance and none performance into consideration. This system will drop handicaps for those performing or take up handicaps for those who aren't performing in order to level the playing ground. The system applied at present is flawed and reactionary because it is meant to keep none performers at their handicap and force people who are performing at their handicap to be dropped even thought there was no need because they maybe performing at the correct handicap.Sabata maybe a 16 but some people playing at 14 handicaps at Renaissance might be using wrong handicaps and may need to put proper scores on SAGA system in order for their handicap to be adjusted accordingly.
My take on matter is that on Renaissance official games the SAGA handicaps be used with a maximum of 18 for men and 24 for women. This doesn't stop those who want to volunteer or are comfortable to play play with handicaps lower than those on the SAGA system to do so. We should therefore desist from attacking our fellow member's handicap and as a result push them away from the club. This club was bleeding and was on its dead bed and we have been on a recruiting drive to keep it alive. We cannot therefore not afford to alienate members by implementing systems that are emotional and have no scientific justification. It is therefore advisable to use available systems until a system is developed to manage handicaps and it has been properly discussed with the members and rolled out.
Regards,
The Chairman
0832480002
- Elias Borole <elias.borole@gmail.com> Jul 30 12:47PM +0200
Gentlemen
I have read this email from the CHAIRMAN with great distress and I also got
some negtive feed back this morning by a way of a mobile phone ,how this
matter was handled and I am very disappointed to say the least .We mus stop
behaving irritional and in an uncivilised manner when we handle matters
relating to the club ,this tendencies will destroy us .
I will address the Chiarman ,Vice Captain and the Captain privately on this
matter .
Very disappointed
Likobo Borole.
- Malose Mokgohloa <mokgohd@gmail.com> Jul 30 01:37PM +0200
Good guys resolve this offline!
- Lehaiwa Machaba <chippandenga@gmail.com> Jul 30 02:05PM +0200
Malose,
You are supposed to make an input and not just let other people make
decisions for you. We have a contentious issue on our hands it requires
ideas, not abdication of responsibility.
I am sorry that I missed what actually happened as i was "busy scratching
my balls in the changerooms", as per after game ritual.
If it is not too much to ask, maybe someone can "privately" brief me on the
sequence of events.
Hola!!!
- Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com> Jul 30 03:39PM +0200
Ta King you are spot-on this matter can make or break this club and members should be encouraged to contribute. Members cannot be spectators on a matter that concerns them and thereafter cry foul that decisions are dictated to them. My intention to put this on the forum was to find out if the members are happy with the manner we allocate and communicate handicap allocations. If you happy because it doesn't affect you, remember that a precedent might set and you might forced abide by it.
Regards,
Tubs
0832480002
- "Craig Edmondson" <craigedmondson83@gmail.com> Jul 30 02:11PM
Guys
I use and enter all my scores on the online handicap system, it has huge failings and penalises unfairly. If anything I believe that it issues handicaps at least 2 shots below the true figure.
But its the only one I got to guide me, so I live with it.
It is however seriously abused and is a crap system because there are no checks and balances to ensure that players enter the correct scores, either way.
Craig Edmondson
Castlerigg Consultants
+27828883769
-----Original Message-----
From: Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com>
Sender: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:39:49
To: Lehaiwa Machaba<chippandenga@gmail.com>
Cc: Malose Mokgohloa<mokgohd@gmail.com>; Elias Borole<elias.borole@gmail.com>; renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com<renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Handicaps
Ta King you are spot-on this matter can make or break this club and members should be encouraged to contribute. Members cannot be spectators on a matter that concerns them and thereafter cry foul that decisions are dictated to them. My intention to put this on the forum was to find out if the members are happy with the manner we allocate and communicate handicap allocations. If you happy because it doesn't affect you, remember that a precedent might set and you might forced abide by it.
Regards,
Tubs
0832480002
- Masiza Qutu <masiza.qutu@gmail.com> Jul 30 06:48PM +0200
Guys,
My two cent worth of contribution in three simple lines.
One: the handicap is a measure of how far one is to PAR ( in terms of level
of play).
Two: the captain has all the rights to manage that in a social club but it
shouldn't be based on emotions. I don't think the captain really singled
out Sabata but just that he lacked the vehicle to drive his intention. His
decision has been based on the top 5 appearances which is wrong.
Three: in general, One's handicap becomes suspicious if he/she continuously
shoots below PAR in a medal comp(after his handicap is deducted i.e. net
score)In a stableford, the golfer would be a suspect he always shoots above
36 points. The key word here is continuous which is still a relative term.
In this case both Sabata and Captain were relatively right. Sabata's point
was that he shot way above his handicap (about 6 over) and he cannot be
anywhere close to a ringer. captain was purely using a defenseless top 5
appearance judgement, probable something he has been using all along.
I would empower the captain, going foward to check the number of top 5
appearances and the score shot on the day to PAR ( not forgetting the
continuous part). Any golfer of our level is capable of shooting below PAR
but not on continuous bases but top 5 can be there as many as possible.
Lets enjoy golf fellas, after all the winnings (prizes) are not making any
differences in our financial stability but more of bragging rights. That is
one of the reasons why I am still the member of this group.
Take is easy chaps! See both of you on Sunday against Orlando west. The
captain will even appreciate your handicap then, LOL.
MQ.
On Monday, July 30, 2012, Craig Edmondson wrote:
- Peter Ntsoko <peterntsoko@gmail.com> Jul 30 07:03PM +0200
Gents
I think the easiest approach to deal with handicap transgressions is to
have a committee like most social clubs do. As opposed to unwanted
confrontations in a game that is known as " The Gentlemen's game".
Maybe we can call this committee the Hawks or Scorpions (lol) with the
sole mandate of checking all Renaissance scores with penalties for scores
not entered. Ie, a score not entered is a game not played, and this will
affect their standing in the Order of merit.
My two cents worth, hope it helps.
Happy Golfing
Ntsoko
On Jul 30, 2012 4:11 PM, "Craig Edmondson" <craigedmondson83@gmail.com>
wrote:
- fannie mahlangu <fmahlangu1010@gmail.com> Jul 30 07:24PM +0200
Gents,
This thing is simple....Let us use the SAGA system as a base and start
monitoring the handicaps for each and everyone using the monthly medal
games and allocate handicaps for our official games based on the scores
accumulated over six months instead of emotionally cutting people's
handicaps because they won by playing to their handicaps and the rest of
the people played badly.
We currently have the ingredients to make this happen, all we need is the
willingness to accept that we cant be right at all times and be open to
suggestions to improve and change.
- "cmacheke@mweb.co.za" <cmacheke@mweb.co.za> Jul 30 07:37PM +0200
Guys
My two cents worth on this matter.
1. The new SAPGA rules say in a competition maximum for men should be 24 and 30 for women. They have scrapped the previous men 18 ladies 24 rule. I think as Renaissance we should allign accordingly. I agree with Ntuli on this matter.
2. I agree with Craig the system generated PGA SYSTEM is unreliable. People manipulate and there are no checks and balances. In a social club we should empower the captain and vice captain to decide on individual handicaps. I agree they should use a system. I have emailed them a handicap calculator that is used by most clubs. Since we play monthly medal they can capture the scores on the system and after 3 games it will diush out a handicap. This will end all arguments as every player wioll always know their renaissance handicap. I personally spoke to the Sunshine tour convener and he recommended we follow this approach. Of cpourse we need to agree.
3. I have a feeling if we adopt this proposal the playing field we be level. We are in this for the fun and the networking gentlemen.
I thank you all for ypour indulgence. let us remain positive and handle differences maturely.
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Sent: 2012/07/30 07:24:32 PM
To: masiza.qutu@gmail.com,
Cc: mokgohd@gmail.com, renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com, tubatsana@gmail.com, elias.borole@gmail.com, craigedmondson83@gmail.com, chippandenga@gmail.com,
Subject: Re: Handicaps
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Gents,
This thing is simple....Let us use the SAGA system as a base and start monitoring the handicaps for each and everyone using the monthly medal games and allocate handicaps for our official games based on the scores accumulated over six months instead of emotionally cutting people's handicaps because they won by playing to their handicaps and the rest of the people played badly.
We currently have the ingredients to make this happen, all we need is the willingness to accept that we cant be right at all times and be open to suggestions to improve and change.
On Jul 30, 2012 6:48 PM, "Masiza Qutu" <masiza.qutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,My two cent worth of contribution in three simple lines.One: the handicap is a measure of how far one is to PAR ( in terms of level of play).Two: the captain has all the rights to manage that in a social club but it shouldn't be based on emotions. I don't think the captain really singled out Sabata but just that he lacked the vehicle to drive his intention. His decision has been based on the top 5 appearances which is wrong.
Three: in general, One's handicap becomes suspicious if he/she continuously shoots below PAR in a medal comp(after his handicap is deducted i.e. net score)In a stableford, the golfer would be a suspect he always shoots above 36 points. The key word here is continuous which is still a relative term.
In this case both Sabata and Captain were relatively right. Sabata's point was that he shot way above his handicap (about 6 over) and he cannot be anywhere close to a ringer. captain was purely using a defenseless top 5 appearance judgement, probable something he has been using all along.�
I would empower the captain, going foward to check the number of top 5 appearances and the score shot on the day to PAR ( not forgetting the continuous part). Any golfer of our level is capable of shooting below PAR but not on continuous bases but top 5 can be there as many as possible.
Lets enjoy golf fellas, after all the winnings (prizes) are not making any differences in our financial stability but more of bragging rights. That is one of the reasons why I am still the member of this group.
Take is easy chaps! See both of you on Sunday against Orlando west. The captain will even appreciate your handicap then, LOL.�MQ.On Monday, July 30, 2012, Craig Edmondson wrote:
GuysI use and enter all my scores on the online handicap system, it has huge failings and penalises unfairly. If anything I believe that it issues handicaps at least 2 shots below the true figure.
But its the only one I got to guide me, so I live with it.It is however seriously abused and is a crap system because there are no checks and balances to ensure that players enter the correct scores, either way.
Craig EdmondsonCastlerigg Consultants 27828883769From: Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com>
Sender: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:39:49 0200To: Lehaiwa Machaba<chippandenga@gmail.com>
Cc: Malose Mokgohloa<mokgohd@gmail.com>; Elias Borole<elias.borole@gmail.com>; renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com<renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: HandicapsTa King you are spot-on this matter can �make or break this club and members should be encouraged to contribute. Members cannot be spectators on a matter that concerns them and thereafter cry foul that decisions are dictated to them. My intention to put this on the forum was to find out if the members are happy with the manner we allocate and communicate handicap allocations. If you happy because it doesn't affect you, remember that a precedent might set and you might forced abide by it.
Regards,Tubs0832480002�On 30 Jul 2012, at 14:05, Lehaiwa Machaba <chippandenga@gmail.com> wrote:
Malose,
�
You are supposed to make an input and not just let other people make decisions for you. We have a contentious issue on our hands it requires ideas, not abdication of responsibility.
�
I am sorry that I missed what actually happened as i was "busy scratching my balls in the changerooms", as per after game ritual.
�
If it is not too much to ask, maybe someone can "privately" brief me on the sequence of events.
�
Hola!!!
�
�
On 30 July 2012 13:37, Malose Mokgohloa <mokgohd@gmail.com> wrote:
Good guys resolve this offline!
On 30 Jul 2012, at 12:47 PM, Elias Borole <elias.borole@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen
�
I have read this email from the CHAIRMAN with great distress and I also got some negtive feed back this morning by a way of a mobile phone ,how this matter was handled and I am very disappointed to say the least .We mus stop behaving irritional and in an�uncivilised manner when we handle matters relating to the club ,this tendencies will destroy us .
�
I will address the Chiarman ,Vice Captain and the Captain privately on this matter .
�
Very disappointed
�
Likobo Borole.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it was unfair for the Captain to attack Sabata Mahao on his handicap that was allocated by SAGA. If the club wants to properly handle handicaps parallel to the SAGA handicap system then a system need to put in place and that system need to take everybody's performance and none performance into consideration. This system will drop handicaps for those performing or take up handicaps for those who aren't performing in order to level the playing ground. The system applied at present is flawed and reactionary because it is meant to keep none performers at their handicap and force people who are performing at their handicap to be dropped even thought there was no need because they maybe performing at the correct handicap.Sabata maybe a 16 but some people playing at 14 handicaps at Renaissance might be using wrong handicaps and may need to put proper scores on SAGA system in order for their handicap to be adjusted accordingly.
�My take on matter is that on Renaissance official games the SAGA handicaps be used with a maximum of 18 for men and 24 for women. This doesn't stop those who want to volunteer or are comfortable to play play with handicaps lower than those on the SAGA system to do so. We should therefore desist from attacking our fellow member's handicap and as a result push them away from the club. This club was bleeding and was on its dead bed and we have been on a recruiting drive to keep it alive. We cannot therefore not afford to alienate members by implementing systems that are emotional and have no scientific justification. It is therefore advisable to use available systems until a system is developed to manage handicaps and it has been properly discussed with the members and rolled out.
Regards,The Chairman0832480002
- "cmacheke@mweb.co.za" <cmacheke@mweb.co.za> Jul 30 07:37PM +0200
Guys
My two cents worth on this matter.
1. The new SAPGA rules say in a competition maximum for men should be 24 and 30 for women. They have scrapped the previous men 18 ladies 24 rule. I think as Renaissance we should allign accordingly. I agree with Ntuli on this matter.
2. I agree with Craig the system generated PGA SYSTEM is unreliable. People manipulate and there are no checks and balances. In a social club we should empower the captain and vice captain to decide on individual handicaps. I agree they should use a system. I have emailed them a handicap calculator that is used by most clubs. Since we play monthly medal they can capture the scores on the system and after 3 games it will diush out a handicap. This will end all arguments as every player wioll always know their renaissance handicap. I personally spoke to the Sunshine tour convener and he recommended we follow this approach. Of cpourse we need to agree.
3. I have a feeling if we adopt this proposal the playing field we be level. We are in this for the fun and the networking gentlemen.
I thank you all for ypour indulgence. let us remain positive and handle differences maturely.
Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
From: fmahlangu1010@gmail.com
Sent: 2012/07/30 07:24:32 PM
To: masiza.qutu@gmail.com,
Cc: mokgohd@gmail.com, renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com, tubatsana@gmail.com, elias.borole@gmail.com, craigedmondson83@gmail.com, chippandenga@gmail.com,
Subject: Re: Handicaps
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Gents,
This thing is simple....Let us use the SAGA system as a base and start monitoring the handicaps for each and everyone using the monthly medal games and allocate handicaps for our official games based on the scores accumulated over six months instead of emotionally cutting people's handicaps because they won by playing to their handicaps and the rest of the people played badly.
We currently have the ingredients to make this happen, all we need is the willingness to accept that we cant be right at all times and be open to suggestions to improve and change.
On Jul 30, 2012 6:48 PM, "Masiza Qutu" <masiza.qutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,My two cent worth of contribution in three simple lines.One: the handicap is a measure of how far one is to PAR ( in terms of level of play).Two: the captain has all the rights to manage that in a social club but it shouldn't be based on emotions. I don't think the captain really singled out Sabata but just that he lacked the vehicle to drive his intention. His decision has been based on the top 5 appearances which is wrong.
Three: in general, One's handicap becomes suspicious if he/she continuously shoots below PAR in a medal comp(after his handicap is deducted i.e. net score)In a stableford, the golfer would be a suspect he always shoots above 36 points. The key word here is continuous which is still a relative term.
In this case both Sabata and Captain were relatively right. Sabata's point was that he shot way above his handicap (about 6 over) and he cannot be anywhere close to a ringer. captain was purely using a defenseless top 5 appearance judgement, probable something he has been using all along.�
I would empower the captain, going foward to check the number of top 5 appearances and the score shot on the day to PAR ( not forgetting the continuous part). Any golfer of our level is capable of shooting below PAR but not on continuous bases but top 5 can be there as many as possible.
Lets enjoy golf fellas, after all the winnings (prizes) are not making any differences in our financial stability but more of bragging rights. That is one of the reasons why I am still the member of this group.
Take is easy chaps! See both of you on Sunday against Orlando west. The captain will even appreciate your handicap then, LOL.�MQ.On Monday, July 30, 2012, Craig Edmondson wrote:
GuysI use and enter all my scores on the online handicap system, it has huge failings and penalises unfairly. If anything I believe that it issues handicaps at least 2 shots below the true figure.
But its the only one I got to guide me, so I live with it.It is however seriously abused and is a crap system because there are no checks and balances to ensure that players enter the correct scores, either way.
Craig EdmondsonCastlerigg Consultants 27828883769From: Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com>
Sender: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:39:49 0200To: Lehaiwa Machaba<chippandenga@gmail.com>
Cc: Malose Mokgohloa<mokgohd@gmail.com>; Elias Borole<elias.borole@gmail.com>; renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com<renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: HandicapsTa King you are spot-on this matter can �make or break this club and members should be encouraged to contribute. Members cannot be spectators on a matter that concerns them and thereafter cry foul that decisions are dictated to them. My intention to put this on the forum was to find out if the members are happy with the manner we allocate and communicate handicap allocations. If you happy because it doesn't affect you, remember that a precedent might set and you might forced abide by it.
Regards,Tubs0832480002�On 30 Jul 2012, at 14:05, Lehaiwa Machaba <chippandenga@gmail.com> wrote:
Malose,
�
You are supposed to make an input and not just let other people make decisions for you. We have a contentious issue on our hands it requires ideas, not abdication of responsibility.
�
I am sorry that I missed what actually happened as i was "busy scratching my balls in the changerooms", as per after game ritual.
�
If it is not too much to ask, maybe someone can "privately" brief me on the sequence of events.
�
Hola!!!
�
�
On 30 July 2012 13:37, Malose Mokgohloa <mokgohd@gmail.com> wrote:
Good guys resolve this offline!
On 30 Jul 2012, at 12:47 PM, Elias Borole <elias.borole@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen
�
I have read this email from the CHAIRMAN with great distress and I also got some negtive feed back this morning by a way of a mobile phone ,how this matter was handled and I am very disappointed to say the least .We mus stop behaving irritional and in an�uncivilised manner when we handle matters relating to the club ,this tendencies will destroy us .
�
I will address the Chiarman ,Vice Captain and the Captain privately on this matter .
�
Very disappointed
�
Likobo Borole.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Tubs Monareng <tubatsana@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it was unfair for the Captain to attack Sabata Mahao on his handicap that was allocated by SAGA. If the club wants to properly handle handicaps parallel to the SAGA handicap system then a system need to put in place and that system need to take everybody's performance and none performance into consideration. This system will drop handicaps for those performing or take up handicaps for those who aren't performing in order to level the playing ground. The system applied at present is flawed and reactionary because it is meant to keep none performers at their handicap and force people who are performing at their handicap to be dropped even thought there was no need because they maybe performing at the correct handicap.Sabata maybe a 16 but some people playing at 14 handicaps at Renaissance might be using wrong handicaps and may need to put proper scores on SAGA system in order for their handicap to be adjusted accordingly.
�My take on matter is that on Renaissance official games the SAGA handicaps be used with a maximum of 18 for men and 24 for women. This doesn't stop those who want to volunteer or are comfortable to play play with handicaps lower than those on the SAGA system to do so. We should therefore desist from attacking our fellow member's handicap and as a result push them away from the club. This club was bleeding and was on its dead bed and we have been on a recruiting drive to keep it alive. We cannot therefore not afford to alienate members by implementing systems that are emotional and have no scientific justification. It is therefore advisable to use available systems until a system is developed to manage handicaps and it has been properly discussed with the members and rolled out.
Regards,The Chairman0832480002
- Moss Mafuwane <moss.mafuwane@gmail.com> Jul 30 07:42PM +0200
I happen to be a Handicap Manager for a small social club of about 18 golfers. The issue of handicaps is really a pain. Fortunately rules are not emotional and can be set for all and sundry.
The SAGA system remains the biggest hoax due to lack of enforcement and oversight but unfortunately, there is no viable alternative. Any system that relies on good faith and honesty is bound to fail (you can ask the communists in this forum).
Until such time that club professionals start doing their job and enforce registration of golf rounds we will keep on talking in circles.
Please enter your scores... Good and Bad Scores!
Sent from my iPad
- Soso Mokhoka <sosomokhoka@gmail.com> Jul 31 12:00AM +0200
Guys
To put record straight the Captain said to Sabata "i told you at Bryanston
that you will play of 14, not 16", and Sabata said SAGA says he is a 16,
and that started the argument. Maybe the 'attack' is unfortunate
overstatement.
Since all the scores are captured on a spreadsheet, I suggest the Captain
to come up with a scientific formula to calculate Renaissance Handicaps on
a monthly basis. Collen Macheke has got some exel spreadsheet which
calculates handicaps and can help the Captain. This will stop issuing of
handicaps from the hip.
In the meantime members should use their SAGA handicaps up to maximum of 18
until such spreadsheet is created.
The Captain should also remember to send us spreadsheet of
accumulated fines after each medal game as it was suggested at Houghton.
To Tubs, I am not sure if this is a right platform to discuss Renaissance
issues with over 100 people on Renaissance mailing list, I know you are *hell
bent* on this issue.
Soso Mokhoka
Vice Captain
- "Collin Macheke" <cmacheke@mweb.co.za> Jul 30 10:07AM -0700
Golfers
This is the end of the winter classic. We started at the end of June and
played Bryanston CC. Yesterday we played Mooinooi GC. Mooinooi is home to
the platinum classic, a sunshine tour event. Even in this winter of
discontent the green keepers put together a well maintained course with
beautiful fairways and championship level greens. A good turnout saw
Renaissance GC paint Mooinooi and indeed the Northwest province red. The
course was challenging hence the winner only netted at level par. The
practice round gave us the rude awakening of a tough course. The golf was
good, the speeches were short and the ladies and gentlemen charming. The
dancing did not stop until the early hours of the morning. A long convoy of
cars of mostly German origin joined the N4 en route to Gauteng. Renaissance
you have proved that you are the thunder amongst the clouds, the roar
amongst the Lions. I thank KG Sebesho, Tubatsana Monareng and Soso Mokhoka
for working with me to pull off the winter classic which also included the
Captain's 50th birthday invitational challenge.
I thank you all for good turnout at the said three events.
Peace.
From: Collin Macheke [mailto:cmacheke@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 12:42 AM
To: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: RENAISSANCE MONTHLY MEDAL Sunday July 29 MOOINOOI GC
Dear Golfers
1. Collin
2. KG
3. Tubatsana
4. Edwin
5. Masiza
6. Sephiri
7. Craig (1 cart)
8. Brian Hairston
9. Billy G
10. Godfrey Litlake
11. Peter Ntuli
12. Charles
13. Soso
14. Malose
15. Peter Lekhethe
16. Albert
17. Itumeleng
18. Lehaiwa
19. Sabata
20. Fannie
21. Dr Nong
22. Ali
23. Elias Borole
24. ..
Saturday Mooi Nooi Assembly time 11h00
1. Valdez
2. Tubs
3. Godfather
4. KG
5. Bev
6. Billy G
7. Billy G Guest
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- fannie mahlangu <fmahlangu1010@gmail.com> Jul 30 04:36PM +0200
Sorry Guys I am testing my gmail.
- Lehaiwa Machaba <chippandenga@gmail.com> Jul 30 04:39PM +0200
Wow! It actually works, Mahlangu.
Can you believe it???
- "Craig Edmondson" <craigedmondson83@gmail.com> Jul 30 03:01PM
Fannie
I have it on good authority that if u practised ur golf as much as ur Gmail, it will improve sir!!
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+27828883769
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From: Lehaiwa Machaba <chippandenga@gmail.com>
Sender: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:39:48
To: fannie mahlangu<fmahlangu1010@gmail.com>
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Wow! It actually works, Mahlangu.
Can you believe it???
- "Fannie Mahlangu" <fannie.mahlangu@ts.thuthukani.com> Jul 30 04:32PM +0200
test
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From: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
[mailto:renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tubs Monareng
Sent: 29 July 2012 09:16 AM
To: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Subject: Extra putter at Mooinooi
Please bring an extra putter for Charles Ngidi he forgot his. A crooked
one will do to mess up his game.
- Peter Lekhethe <peterl@idc.co.za> Jul 30 08:35AM
Fellow Golfers,
I hope you all had a great game, and a great weekend all around. My apologies for not making it, (Mr Monareng did report on my behalf); there is a bereavement on my Wife's side of the Family.
Congratulations to the winner(s).
Regards,
Mokhehle
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From: renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com [mailto:renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tubs Monareng
Sent: 27 July 2012 04:56 PM
To: Chippa Ndenga
Cc: cmacheke@mweb.co.za; renaissance_golf@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RENAISSANCE MONTHLY MEDAL Sunday July 29 MOOINOOI GC
My mistake the details were sent as per Macheke white was a figment of my imagination
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